The Power of Focus: Enhance Your Speaking and Presentation Skills | Greg Bennick

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Consistency is my keyword for 2025.

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Now, I didn't just decide this.

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I did figure it out at the start of the

year, and I'm sharing it with you now,

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but it is the necessary foundation to

build on that many business owners simply

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try to bypass Consistency requires focus.

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So how can we be more focused,

present, and free as speakers?

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How can focusing on rehearsal give you

more flexibility and freedom as a speaker?

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My guest on this episode is a

professional keynote speaker, TEDx

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coach, and the author of a book called

Reclaim the Moment, Greg Bennick.

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In an increasingly noisy and

distracted world, the ability to

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focus is becoming rarer and the

need for focus is increasing.

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Greg is going to share with us some of

the strategies to increase our focus

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as speakers on the platform and to use

it to enhance our presentation skills.

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You're going to find out why

focus and consistency are the

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ingredients for magic as a speaker.

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Welcome to Present Influence the show

for professional communicators who

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want to inspire, impact and influence.

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My name's John Ball.

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I'm your guide on this journey to

master read level communication skills.

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Greg, welcome to Present Influence.

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I'm very happy to have you with us today.

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Now, this is a show that is primarily

aimed at professional communicators

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and speakers, and I don't often spend

a lot of time asking guests about their

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background, but I think in your case you

have a lot of experience as a professional

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speaker and communicator, and it would

be good to get a sense from you as to

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just how extensive your experience is.

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Greg Bennick: Extensive in terms of.

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I've spoken all over the world.

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Yes.

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But first, hi, nice to see you and

thanks listeners for tuning in.

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Extensive.

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In terms of all over the world,

speaking, yes, but also extensive.

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Interestingly in that I've been speaking

ever since I was really a little kid.

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Basically, I did my first

professional performances and

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presentations at age 13 years old.

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And I was doing corporate events as a.

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Performer starting at 15 years old.

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So realizing very early on the power

of words, the power of communication,

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the power of combining communication

and entertainment, and making

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sure that they blend together.

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All those things have been part

of my life for a very long time.

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So as I've traveled around the

world speaking, but more importantly

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connecting with people those lessons

have joined me along the way.

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So it's been quite a journey.

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John: Yeah.

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And you've also trained other people

in speaking as well in your work.

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Greg Bennick: I have, and I've trained

a number of different types of people.

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When I say types, societally

approved types, right?

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So we think of C-level executives

of being one type of people.

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And then we think of, people who

are just trying to communicate more

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effectively as another type of people.

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People in general, but from

different walks of life.

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Certainly people have come

to me and asked for advice.

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I'm also a speaking coach

for TEDx Perth Australia.

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I'm their first

international speaking coach.

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So some of the people that I've

gotten to coach from TEDx Perth

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have been fascinating and.

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Absolutely from completely different

walks of life, from somebody who does

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an inquiry based TV show in Australia

where he literally walks up to people

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on the street and asks them really

intensively personal hard questions to

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somebody who's doing some of the foremost

research on oceanography and how to save

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the oceans from mining and exploration.

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All sorts of different people have come

to me for speaking coaching and ideas

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on how to communicate more effectively.

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John: So you've really helped

a wide variety of people

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to be able to communicate.

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You've also communicated on

many different platforms.

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Ted Exchange may be being one, but as a

keynote speaker, a podcaster on radio,

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do you find that there are similarities

between those or is there a preference

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as to which one you like to do?

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Greg Bennick: Absolutely.

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It's all about connection.

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And I'll give you a perfect example.

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So you know right now you and I are

connecting, we're also connecting with

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your listeners, but this is very different

than if I'm on stage in front of a group.

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Because in front of a group, I'm

staring at people in the eyes, right?

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I'm looking at them, I'm connecting with

them personally on a personal level,

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and you have to translate that so that

connection then comes through regardless

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of the format that you're using.

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Technically right now I'm staring

at the screen and behind that

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screen is a video camera and that's

broadcasting on the internet, but

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that's not really what I'm looking at.

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I'm actually looking at your

listeners, if that makes sense.

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I'm looking at your viewers and

that level of connection has

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to be maintained throughout.

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Otherwise, one medium is not just

not gonna work the way that the next

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will, and we want them all to be

effective means of communication.

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John: Yeah.

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In terms of delivery style.

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Do you enjoy maybe the more casual

approach of radio or podcasting?

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Or do you like the sort of practice

formal style, or do all of those

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fit in really well for you?

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Greg Bennick: It's interesting, right?

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'cause doing podcasts or doing

radio, you have a different relaxed

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approach, or at least I do a different

relaxed approach with the audience

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and you're able to communicate what

seems like a little more casually.

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I try to match that on the stage as well.

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I think it's really important to

meet that on the stage because, you

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definitely hear radio that comes across

like this and peoples that describe

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their every single word in this way,

and it just doesn't connect with me.

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I don't know, maybe it works

for you or somebody else, but

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same thing is true on stage.

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If I walk out on stage and say, Hey

everybody, it's really great to be here.

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Steve Martin, the famous comedian, used

to do a joke about that years ago where

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he would come out on stage and say,

Hey, I wanted to say it's really great

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to be here and joke about that affect.

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I think it's important to find a genuine

communicative style that works across the

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board that works, whether you're doing

a podcast, whether you're on stage in

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front of a live audience, whether you're

behind a microphone, behind a podium,

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whatever it might be, ultimately, it's

all about connecting with the audience

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and making sure that's maintained.

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John: Yeah, I like what

you're saying about that.

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'cause one of the things that I

often end up helping people with

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is how they actually communicate

when they're on a platform.

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Whether it's a podcast or video or

a live stage is really important.

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To have that, as you said, the

connection sort of element with it.

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I think a lot of people are guilty of what

I call the sort of professional presenter

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style where they're trying to be a certain

way and not be particularly emotional.

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They end up not really being themselves.

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I think it comes across a little

inauthentic, much like a radio DJ

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doing the radio DJ thing, rather than

just speaking to people like a person.

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Greg Bennick: That's right.

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And you're easy to speak with,

and I'm looking at a screen

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rather than a human face.

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I'm looking at your human face on a

screen, but the point is that making

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that connection is essential and

remembering that's what we're doing.

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Not a gift, but just an

offering to your listeners.

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That's a takeaway, right?

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When you're in front of an audience

or whether you are in front of

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an audience virtually in terms of

there's a microphone and airwaves

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between you, as the case may be.

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It's important to remember that

you're actually communicating

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a message to people.

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You're not just communicating

to quote unquote the internet.

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You're communicating to people.

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You know what I'm speaking right now,

I'm imagining that there's some person

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out there and that person is actually

listening to what I'm saying, and that

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person's is hopefully gonna take these

ideas and think, oh, the next time I'm in

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front of the boardroom, I could actually

convince people of my message more readily

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if I realistically connect with them

more effectively in a more personal way.

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Maybe they'll tell a different type of

story, approach the audience differently.

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That's what my hope is.

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So keeping that in mind when we

communicate is really important.

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John: I don't think I've come

across too many people who started

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in speaking as young as you did.

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I may got up in church and read some bible

verses here or there when I was around

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that age, and that was probably terrifying

enough for me at that particular time.

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But you were being involved in corporate

presentations and things like when did you

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first give your own keynote presentation?

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Greg Bennick: Sure.

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I think the first keynote, like the

actual keynote came when I was in my

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twenties very early on, but I was billed

as a keynote speaker even before that

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when I was just I shouldn't say just an

entertainer, but I was an entertainer.

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Primarily, I started out as a juggler.

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I started out performing juggling

and quickly realized, as I mentioned

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in my teens, that combining ideas

with entertainment was an incredibly

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effective form of communication.

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If I sit here and I describe to you

risk taking, and I show you a PowerPoint

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presentation, that's one thing.

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If I describe risk taking while

juggling a machete, all of a sudden

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it takes on a whole new life.

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So with that in mind.

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I realized very early on how effective it

could be when you combine entertainment

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and education, entertainment and ideas.

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And it wasn't until, I did my first

maybe 45 minute long solo presentation

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with intent of communicating a

message that I felt comfortable

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calling myself a keynote speaker.

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But it's been quite a journey.

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It's been quite a journey along the way.

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John: Yeah, I think in the general

world of keynote speaking and

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then there are, obviously there's

always gonna be exceptions, but for

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most people, that entertainment.

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Payment side is critical for being

successful or being in demand.

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As a speaker, I would say.

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Greg Bennick: Absolutely.

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And even, I have a new promo

video that's coming out today,

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actually, I think it's today that

I'm gonna get it from my editors.

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And, I was explaining to them, I want

to hit the audience with the message.

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Then have that inkling of fun throughout.

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So somebody watching it, I don't want

them watching the video thinking,

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oh wow, this is a great magician.

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We're hiring.

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This is a great juggler.

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We're hiring, but there has

to be some substance to it.

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But amidst the substance, I don't

want the viewer just to see.

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And then I click through

to the next slide.

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I'd rather have them see me interacting

with people in the audience.

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That's a really effective way

of communicating without a

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John: Yeah I've had the

experience of working with

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clients on their keynotes before.

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Some of them have some definite talents

that they can bring and should bring in.

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I think it is great to do that,

but sometimes struggle to get the

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balance right of entertainment

and information and presentation.

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How do you manage that?

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What maybe do you have as advice

for people on working that out?

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Like bringing in some entertainment

but not letting that take over?

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Greg Bennick: It's essential.

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I would say that the most important

thing is figure out what the message is

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that you want to communicate and then

figure out what entertainment you can

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do, whether that's a joke, whether it's

a routine, whether it's a bit as the

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case may be, that supports the message.

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That's the essential quality.

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When you go off on a tangent and you're

entertaining for entertaining sake,

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it'll come across as entertainment.

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People will love it, but the reviews

you're gonna get are the same reviews that

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I got very early on, which were things

like when I would get written reviews.

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This was really entertaining, but I'm not

sure what the message was supposed to be.

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So that's not what you want.

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What you want is people to say,

oh my gosh, this guy came in.

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He talked about focus, he talked about

focus, and he did this incredible

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juggling bit where focus was essential,

and it all makes sense towards the

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end of communicating that message.

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So I'd say figure out what your message

is for the talk that you're giving, and

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then figure out, sure, some entertainment

that goes along with that, but maybe

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the entertainment is just an anecdote,

a fun story, but it's not a fun story

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that's fun for fun sake, you don't

speak about x and then tell the fun

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story about y and X never meets Y.

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Rather think about X as the idea

you're trying to communicate.

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The main point you're trying to

make, and then have the story

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support that x as the case may be.

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I didn't know we were gonna

talk about algebra today,

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but I think you get the idea.

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John: i do.

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And I like it.

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I like formulas.

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I was just recently interviewing

a lady called Judy Carter.

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I dunno if you've ever heard of her,

but she teaches humor and comedy.

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One of the few people

who does it really well.

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And we were talking about the formulas

that we can use within that for humour

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and for punching up your communication.

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But I was thinking very

specifically about.

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A lady I worked with, and I'm not

gonna name names, but a classical

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pianist very talented lady, but

she ended up with almost 10 minutes

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of a piano concerto in her talk.

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And it was a little too much.

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So we had to figure out a way to

still incorporate that, 'cause

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it was very relevant to her talk.

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But to not have it take over and be like,

the only thing people would remember

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or to be sat there thinking, oh how

long is she gonna be playing this for?

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Is really not what you need.

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Greg Bennick: I would think that if

somebody was classically trained on

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piano, that if they played a snippet

a short bar here or there, that it

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would impress me with their skill

and augment what they were trying to

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say without doing all of Mozart, all

of Beethoven, as the case may be.

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John: Yeah.

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Or the logistics of lumbering

a piano around with you to

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all your speaking events.

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I wouldn't fancy it

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Greg Bennick: nope.

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I can't imagine.

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John: No, I wouldn't wanna take that now.

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You did bring up there that your key

topic, one of your key topics is focus.

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And I certainly do want to get into

that with you 'cause it's something,

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and I certainly get challenged.

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I think we all challenged by it,

but I certainly assume everyone

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is because of how much I am.

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But can you share with us a little

bit about what you teach about

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focus and maybe what's gonna be

relevant to our listener here today

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as to how we can be more focused.

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Greg Bennick: Sure.

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And I'll even tie it into

what we're talking about.

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So even my answer is gonna be a

metaphor for what we were just

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talking about earlier is that focus.

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Why is it important?

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It's because we live in an

increasingly chaotic world and one

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that pulls us in constant different

directions and recognizing what

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matters most is essential to us.

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So using juggling is a metaphor.

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For example, whatever ball is in the

air, that's the one we've gotta focus on.

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And, in life.

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What that ball is the thing that

if it drops or falls or fails, is

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going to do the most significant

damage or have the most impact on us.

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So what I like to think about is.

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What is that thing?

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What is the thing that matters most to us?

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I'd suggest it's the people around us.

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I'd suggest it's the mission that we have.

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I'd suggest as we were talking about the

communicative point we're trying to make

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in the moment, whatever that thing is,

that's what deserves our attention most.

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If I'm juggling two beanbags in a machete.

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Where am I gonna keep my focus?

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I would hope that I'm gonna

keep it on the knife, right?

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And there's a chapter in my book called

Keep Your Eyes on the Knife, specifically

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for that reason, the idea that, it's a

juggling metaphor as we're, juggling,

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let's say our knife making our way

through the constant barrage that we

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have to deal with throughout the day.

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Where do we keep our focus?

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And how do we recognize what matters most?

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So I often am instructing or teaching

or offering ideas for people on

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remembering what matters most.

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John: How do we keep that in our head?

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Because I think one of the worst

times for me as a speaker, is

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when you're about to go on.

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Because I think when you're on stage,

all other things leave your mind but

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when you're getting ready is that's

where all the stuff can start coming

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up for you, and the distractions can

start to appear in your environment and

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start maybe even questioning yourself

about what you're about to deliver.

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What are the things that we might be

able to do specifically to get more focus

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ready for going out on the platform?

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Greg Bennick: For sure what the question

is, it goes back to something that I was

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told when I was in my early twenties.

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I was doing a presentation

for Boeing in Seattle.

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And just when I was about to walk

out on stage, literally just as I

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was about to walk on stage in the

first big presentation, there's,

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I can't remember, 2000, 3000.

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I don't even remember how

many people in the room.

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It felt like a million

people were in the room.

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My client turned to me and said, what

do you want them to remember after

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they've forgotten what you said?

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And I was full of myself

and I said, they're gonna

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remember everything I've said.

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And she said, no, they're not.

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They're not gonna remember

anything you've said.

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What do you want them to remember?

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So that's where I first really

started thinking about, okay, what

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matters most when I get up on stage?

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What matters most is,

what does John remember?

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What does Greg remember?

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What does Susie remember when

she walks out of the room and

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she says, yeah, this guy came in.

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He was great, he had a shaved head,

and he did all these fun things.

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He told us to build a better now.

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Done.

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Great.

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If she remembers that, then

that's the thing that I focus on.

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And when I'm about to walk out on stage

and oh my gosh, is my collar okay?

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Did I remember to shave this morning?

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There's more people here than I thought.

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Do I have water with me?

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Oh, I, okay.

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I've got water with me.

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All right.

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The lighting's a little weird as we

start thinking about all those things,

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you have to cut through all of it.

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And imagine the person leaving the room.

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What do you want them to remember

after they've forgotten what you said?

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And then focus on that.

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Because if you walk out on stage and your

collar is weird and your beard is too

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long and you don't have enough water, and

the light is in your eyes and the stage

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collapses, whatever it might be, if people

walk outta the room and they remember, oh

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yeah, Greg said, okay, we gotta reclaim

the moment and build a better now.

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And he gave us some ideas for that.

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All right, good.

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And they go about their day.

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Then you've just given a successful

presentation, so gotta carve through.

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Focus on the people leaving the room

and what you want them to leave with,

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and that's gonna help you get by.

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John: I like that.

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That's really valuable advice.

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I think that will certainly

stay with me as well.

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So I appreciate that.

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Do you have any thoughts about

longer term focus throughout the day?

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'cause a lot of us are content creators.

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You yourself, you're doing

writing books and gosh, probably

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many other things as well.

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Do you have any thoughts or tips for

staying more focused in the longer term?

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Throughout our professional day?

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Greg Bennick: Yeah, for sure.

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We have to remember that our eyeballs

are valuable, and I don't just

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mean that our vision is valuable.

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I mean that where we put our

focus is valuable and it's

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valuable to other people.

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Other people who are willing

to pay tremendous amounts of

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money to take our focus away

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when my focus is over here looking at

the thing that I might buy next, it's

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because somebody paid for that attention.

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They bought it, they bought my attention.

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Keeping our attention is essential,

yes, but also us making the choice.

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Having the agency, making the

decision to keep our focus on

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a task at hand is up to us.

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We're going to constantly feel

that barrage throughout the day.

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We're gonna constantly have our focus

drawn from us, because the thing is,

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if we're asked to create a report.

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The famous TPS report from

the movie office space, right?

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If we're asked to create a report and we

don't really want to be doing that I gotta

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tell you, it could be anything from Wordle

to YouTube video to an eBay listing that

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will quickly draw your attention away.

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We have to keep our focus.

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And the reason we have to do that

is because we maintain our sense

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of self by keeping our focus

when our focus goes over here.

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With what's distracting us because

we've been, shown something shiny and

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people are, again, paying lots of money

to show us something shiny and to take

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our money and to take our attention.

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We're gonna lose our

sense of self amidst that.

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We're going to end up with a piece

of ourself over there, a piece

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of ourself over here, a piece of

ourself back there, and in the

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midst of that, we lose our ourself.

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We're gonna end up feeling completely

discombobulated and completely outta line.

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That's the way that I

feel when I'm not focused.

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I feel like I've lost myself.

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I haven't gotten anything done today.

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I did this, I did that, I did this,

I did that, and I feel like a mess.

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When I focus.

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And you use the example of writing

the book, when I focus the way I

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needed to when I was writing my

book, the sense of self and sense of

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accomplishment I got was incredible.

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It was generated from within, and

it's not because I'm superhuman.

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I'm definitely not.

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But what I did was I shut my

phone off for a little while.

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I shut down the social media for a

little while, neither of which are evil.

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I've got the latest phone, I've got all

the social medias, but shutting those

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things down allowed me to not be absorbed

by the allure of distraction and instead

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allowed me to get tasks done, which again

led to my self-esteem being boosted.

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I wrote the book, I finished the

chapter, I finished the sentence, I

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finished the thing I started doing.

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It's essential for us psychologically

and in terms of financially as well, to

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keep our eyes on the knife, to keep our

eyes on the page what's in front of us.

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I think long term, the more

we do that, the better we'll

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be and the better we'll feel.

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Certainly.

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John: Do you find it better

to break things down?

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When you have a project on, or when

you have multiple things on the

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go do you break down the tasks and

then schedule them in or just create

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specific areas of time throughout your

day that you're gonna be working on?

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Specific things

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Greg Bennick: I think specific time

throughout the day for specific things,

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recognizing that sometimes things will

flow over, sometimes things won't.

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But the thing is when things flow over,

we have to recognize that something

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else is being let go of in that moment.

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Yesterday, I have an example of that.

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I have a to-do list that's massive,

like everybody's to-do list is massive.

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None of it's gonna get done.

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If I just sit around thinking about how

massive the to-do list is, and I was

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recognizing how important it was to just

focus on one thing for a little while.

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In focusing on that one thing for a little

while, and yesterday was my website.

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I realized that as I was diving into

the website and diving into what

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needed to change and diving in more

that the allotted time that I gave.

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To that was so much more effectively

used than if I just said,

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okay, I gotta do this website.

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Throw five minutes at it,

throw 10 minutes at it.

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Instead, I carved out time

specifically for that, and in

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doing so, actually got somewhere.

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That time was specific to

that, and I just dove in.

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Without, or rather with blinders

on to the rest of the world.

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I think it's important because there's

always going to be distractions.

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There's always gonna be things

which pull me away from the two

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hours that I'd set aside to do that.

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There's distractions that would love

for the two hours that I set aside

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to do that, to be two minutes, and

that they spend the other hour and

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58 minutes selling me something.

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It's essential that we carve out time.

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I think it's really important to do

that, but also to be a bit malleable.

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'cause if you carve out 15

minutes and you realize, wait a

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minute, I'm in a flow state here.

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Go with it.

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Spend the time, do good work.

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At the end of the day, that's what we

really wanna do, is we wanna do good

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work, we wanna get things done that are

valuable and if we spend a little more

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time on this and then make up for it.

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Later by focusing really

well on something else.

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I think that's time well spent rather

than just being scattershot and all over

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the place and trying to get everything

done, which is never gonna happen.

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No one has ever said, I had this

massive to-do list today, and I just

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threw my time all over the place.

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I got it all done.

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I don't have anything else to do.

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My life's good.

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I'm complete.

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Not gonna happen.

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So yeah, carving out time is important,

but be a little bit malleable and

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forgiving with yourself as well.

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John: No, definitely.

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Definitely.

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I think that's good advice.

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I wonder though, one of my biggest

challenges when it comes to focus

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personally is the desire to try and take

on too many things at the same time.

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How do you advise people on knowing

whether you've got too much on your

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plate and perhaps what you need to

remove or how best to manage that?

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Greg Bennick: Absolutely.

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Again, it goes back to what's

most important to you, right?

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If you're, trying to feed your kids

and you're trying to come up with a

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new website, you're designing a new

piece of promo material and you forget

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to feed your kids probably not a.

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Good approach.

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We have to remember what's

most important to us.

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And I think that a little more time

spent deciding what's most important

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is essential, but also, people need to

remember that by dialing back a bit.

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By sending a project to a different

team, by prioritizing one thing over

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another, you're gonna be more effective.

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Ultimately, you're

gonna be more effective.

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I think there's a myth to multitasking

that we can do everything all

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at once and get it all done.

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And I don't think that's real.

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I think that when we focus on

one thing we are better off.

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So when people start adding on too

much I always suggest that we need

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to start thinking in terms of a team.

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Rather than thinking in terms of just

us solo, because when you think of

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yourself as this solo, elite fighting

system, just navigating through space,

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conquering and destroying everything in

your path, it's not gonna be the case.

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You're gonna ruin more than you create.

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So I think it's really important

to think in terms of a team

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and how can a team support us?

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How can we delegate?

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How can we share responsibility

rather than taking on so much and

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then being completely overwhelmed.

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If I could design a piece of promo

material for myself or for you, I gotta

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tell you, it's not gonna be the best on my

to-do list for today, is think about new

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promo materials in this specific capacity.

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I'm definitely gonna ask somebody else

for help with that rather than take it

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on myself and flail around for the next.

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Three days trying to

figure out how to do that.

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Nope.

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There's other people who I can turn

to and create some team bonds and

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do some relationship building to

get the tasks done that I need to.

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I think it's important to delegate and

share and and use a team effectively.

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John: I think that's good, solid

advice and any business owner

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especially who maybe has more than

just speaking on their plate, who

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wants to do other things as well.

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Should definitely be thinking about

ways in which you can organize and

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delegate and share the workload out.

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So it's not just you who's

responsible for doing everything.

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Because one of the things I see, and I

come across this with many of the clients

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I work with, is they are trying to do.

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Everything, especially on social media.

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They're trying to be in all

the social media channels.

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They're trying to create content

for all of those different channels,

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and they're trying to create talks.

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Some of them are creating talks every

time they speak, and it's too much.

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And so that streamlining and workflow

things and having help to do all

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that, I think is super critical and

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Greg Bennick: it's so important.

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because, I know how to edit video.

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Okay, cool.

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I know how to edit video, but knowing

how to edit video and being a good

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editor are completely different.

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Meaning I could make you a video.

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It's absolutely true.

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It would show your face, it would cut

between this and that, but it's not gonna

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look like a professionally edited video.

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Gotta delegate, gotta share, gotta

get somebody on your team who knows

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how to do that so that you can do.

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Check that off the list and have

that be something that gets done

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well, rather than just gets done.

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: 00:25:31

We don't wanna just do tasks.

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We want the things that we're

involved with to be meaningful

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and we want them to be excellent.

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And the way to do that is to work together

rather than be, as I said, the solitary

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solo fighting system against the world.

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It's rather let's work with each

other and actually make some progress.

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John: There are definitely other

benefits to having this sort of level

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of focus and organization, not just

that you can get more done in your day.

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Greg Bennick: That's right.

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Meaning that, is that the goal?

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Do you wake up in the I don't wake

up in the morning thinking, okay,

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yesterday I completed 43 tasks.

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If I can complete 88 tasks

today, 72 tasks, 114 tasks,

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my day is more successful.

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Not at all.

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It's not about the number

of tasks that we accomplish.

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I want the work that

I do to be meaningful.

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I want the work that I do with

others to be meaningful for us.

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In my book, I talk about the reverberation

effect, the idea that we can share ideas

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amongst each other and develop and grow

together, that we can work together

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as an effective team by listening

to ideas and expanding upon them for

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one another and with one another.

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At the end of the day, I would love to

accomplish one task and do it really well.

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Then do a hundred tasks, in this

kind of half complete, not really

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effective, low quality approach.

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I just wouldn't want that.

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I'd rather do less tasks better,

or rather, I'd rather have the team

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work on something that was meaningful

to them and actually accomplish it

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rather than flail around and not get

done what they wanted to get done.

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John: One of the things that stuck in

my head from when we had a chat a while

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back was that you mentioned as well

about how this sort of level of focus

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and organization will also help to free

up space for spontaneity for people.

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Can you talk a bit about more about

that and why that's important?

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Greg Bennick: Totally, and I love your

question because here's the thing, I

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: 00:27:16

could go chapter by chapter in my book.

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I could tell you about my

book and how I wrote it.

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Why, ultimately we could wrap that

all up in about 30 seconds and I

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can tell you that my book is about

creating space for possibility.

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It's really ultimately what I speak about.

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It's not as much about focus

as it is the result of focus,

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creating space for possibility.

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With juggling, for example, it's not

just about learning a trick, it's not

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: 00:27:42

about keeping the ball in the air.

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: 00:27:44

It's about.

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What more can you do when you

create space for possibility with

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this amazing skill and talent?

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So ultimately that's what

we're talking about here, is

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creating space for possibility.

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It's creating space for, on a personal

level with the group, with the team.

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That's really what we're going after

is that if we're constantly chasing and

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constantly trying to catch up, we're never

gonna create space for the possibility

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: 00:28:06

that we want to see in the world.

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The bridging of the gap between

what we have and what we want.

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I want that gap bridged and

the way we bridge that gap is

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through creating space for it.

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And focus allows for that.

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Focus is a means to an end.

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It's not the end in and of itself.

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: 00:28:25

Focus allows us to create space for

possibility to do the things we really

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wanna be doing and to accomplish

the things we want to be doing.

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And it might very well be at work that

you're focused on a task and that's

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the thing you really want to be doing.

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The only way you're gonna get

there is through creating space.

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And again pushing things to the side,

which are gonna get in the way between

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what you have and what you want.

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So that's really what the

book is about ultimately.

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But it speaks to your question

as well, that if we wanna create

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space for the things that we want

most in life, we have to focus.

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It's all about creating

space for possibility.

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John: Fantastic.

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I want to bring things back around.

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We haven't really left speaking behind,

but I wanna bring things back around

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to speaking specifically because I

know that you very much care about

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one of the aspects of presentation

preparation that I do, and I think a lot

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: 00:29:13

of people should and don't, which is the

importance of rehearsal and improvement.

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Greg Bennick: Yeah, so your

question is like, how to rehearse

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or why is that important?

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I just wanna make sure I'm answering

the right question, but yeah.

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John: Let's go with the importance

of rehearsal and then may be a

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little about how best to do that.

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Greg Bennick: Sure, absolutely.

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Rehearsal's essential.

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In the work with TEDx Perth, for

example, with the three people

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that I coached last year, I was

telling each of them the same thing.

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You know what?

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It's incredible that you have this

amazing television show where you

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: 00:29:44

walk up to people on the street and

ask the hardest hitting questions.

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And it's incredible that you are

literally gonna save the ocean over here.

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: 00:29:50

And it's incredible that you over

here take these amazing photos.

623

: 00:29:53

I had three incredible speakers

with incredible stories, and I

624

: 00:29:57

told them all the same things.

625

: 00:29:59

Rehearse, practice, get

used to your message.

626

: 00:30:03

And it didn't mean, for some

of them it meant memorization.

627

: 00:30:07

And that was an approach

that they wanted to try.

628

: 00:30:09

It turns out that none used

memorization as a means to

629

: 00:30:12

getting where they wanted to go.

630

: 00:30:14

But what they did rather was just get

used to the ideas, get used to the

631

: 00:30:17

words, envision themselves in front

of the audience, do some preparation.

632

: 00:30:22

If I was really on my game.

633

: 00:30:25

We'd have one call and then

maybe we'd have another call.

634

: 00:30:28

We'd talk about what's it gonna

look like when we get on this

635

: 00:30:30

particular web platform today.

636

: 00:30:33

We really dial it in.

637

: 00:30:34

The point is it's not essential we're

gonna figure it out 'cause we've done

638

: 00:30:38

podcast interviews and been interviewed

before, but what happens if you're

639

: 00:30:42

speaking in front of a group next month?

640

: 00:30:44

You don't know what the room looks

like and you don't know if you're gonna

641

: 00:30:47

have a microphone and you don't know

what the lighting is gonna look like.

642

: 00:30:50

You don't know how the

audience is gonna be dressed.

643

: 00:30:53

How are you supposed to

dress for this event?

644

: 00:30:55

Is it okay if you show up in a

Hawaiian shirt and a pair of shorts?

645

: 00:30:57

Maybe if the event is on a beach

and everyone's drinking cocktails,

646

: 00:31:01

yeah, that might be perfect.

647

: 00:31:03

If you show up in a suit, that's

gonna look a little strange.

648

: 00:31:06

But if you show up in the Hawaiian

shirt in the boardroom, right?

649

: 00:31:08

It turns out that corporate

office is having you come

650

: 00:31:10

in to do your presentation.

651

: 00:31:11

I hope you don't have the margarita

in your hand when you walk in, 'cause

652

: 00:31:14

that might be your last day at work.

653

: 00:31:16

The point is doing that prep,

asking questions about where

654

: 00:31:20

you're gonna be presenting and then

getting used to the words, getting

655

: 00:31:24

used to the things you wanna say.

656

: 00:31:26

Preparing, it doesn't have to be

memorization, but even mental bullet

657

: 00:31:30

points so that when you're in front

of the audience, you're not just.

658

: 00:31:34

Out there flailing.

659

: 00:31:35

But you've got a roadmap.

660

: 00:31:36

The roadmap doesn't have to be

word for word, but the roadmap are

661

: 00:31:40

things like, you know what, I've

got that little bit of confidence.

662

: 00:31:44

'cause I ran through this with

my spouse yesterday and he,

663

: 00:31:46

she told me, you know what?

664

: 00:31:48

That's pretty good.

665

: 00:31:49

I like that.

666

: 00:31:50

And that little confidence boost,

that's a signpost on the roadmap.

667

: 00:31:54

Or, you know what I went into

the boardroom yesterday and I

668

: 00:31:57

use boardroom as an example.

669

: 00:31:58

It could be anything.

670

: 00:31:59

It could be the stage.

671

: 00:32:00

I got up on that stage an hour beforehand

yesterday, before the event, and I

672

: 00:32:05

just felt the stage under my feet.

673

: 00:32:08

You know what?

674

: 00:32:08

That makes me feel a

little more confident.

675

: 00:32:10

Another signpost on the roadmap.

676

: 00:32:12

I think that those signposts

along the way are what lead you

677

: 00:32:15

to success on stage, certainly

rehearsing, going through the words.

678

: 00:32:21

Memorizing if need be, coming up with

bullet points, asking about the room.

679

: 00:32:24

All of those sorts of

things are all variables.

680

: 00:32:27

Let's eliminate some of those variables,

or at least check them off the list

681

: 00:32:30

so that when we're in front of the

audience, when the cameras are rolling,

682

: 00:32:33

when the lights are on, we're prepared.

683

: 00:32:35

And I think Muhammad Ali talked about

that all, the thousands of hours that he

684

: 00:32:38

used in training when the lights were off,

prepared him for when the lights were on.

685

: 00:32:42

I can't remember his exact quote in the

moment, but it's really telling, right?

686

: 00:32:46

It's the hours that you go to the gym

where you're just, lifting something,

687

: 00:32:49

sweating and, putting in the time.

688

: 00:32:52

That lead to somebody saying, wow,

John, you're looking pretty good.

689

: 00:32:55

What have you been doing?

690

: 00:32:56

It's ah, I've been gonna,

the gym, that kind of thing.

691

: 00:32:58

It's the hours behind the scenes that

lead to the hours in front of the

692

: 00:33:02

audience that are most effective.

693

: 00:33:04

John: Do you have any guidance for how

much rehearsal is enough rehearsal?

694

: 00:33:10

Greg Bennick: I would say

enough to challenge yourself.

695

: 00:33:11

It's the same thing with my ab exercises.

696

: 00:33:14

Recently I haven't been doing enough.

697

: 00:33:16

The point is that I can, I can

feed myself a line and say, oh,

698

: 00:33:20

yeah, I've been doing enough.

699

: 00:33:21

I did a plank for a few seconds yesterday.

700

: 00:33:23

I did a handful of crunches

the other day, not so much.

701

: 00:33:26

You wanna see the results.

702

: 00:33:27

Challenge yourself a bit, reach the

point where you feel a little challenged.

703

: 00:33:31

So with that in mind, if I'm preparing

for a presentation, let's just take one

704

: 00:33:34

for example, I'm doing a presentation

in Nashville in a couple months.

705

: 00:33:38

We haven't begun communicating about

the event other than what it's about,

706

: 00:33:42

who's gonna be there, that I'm the guy

who's gonna be communicating great.

707

: 00:33:46

But what I wanna do is I

wanna talk to the tech team.

708

: 00:33:48

I want to get into it with them.

709

: 00:33:50

I want to hear, and, what's

the sound gonna be like?

710

: 00:33:52

I wanna talk to my client

more in the next couple weeks.

711

: 00:33:54

I want to, dive in more

and do that extra bit.

712

: 00:33:58

It's that extra bit that really

effectively has an impact.

713

: 00:34:02

So I think that if you challenge

yourself with your study, your prep.

714

: 00:34:06

Your familiarity with the words, your

familiarity with using a microphone.

715

: 00:34:12

Challenge yourself a little bit.

716

: 00:34:13

Don't just say, okay, yeah,

I picked up a microphone.

717

: 00:34:16

Okay, cool.

718

: 00:34:17

Yeah.

719

: 00:34:17

I know what a microphone feels like.

720

: 00:34:18

No, the extra crunches, the extra plank

time that lead to the abs that you want,

721

: 00:34:24

are you holding that microphone in your

hand and going through the motions and

722

: 00:34:28

awkwardly, uncomfortably trying to.

723

: 00:34:31

Give a few minutes of your speech

to yourself in the living room to

724

: 00:34:34

yourself on the empty stage, that extra

effort is going to make a difference.

725

: 00:34:38

So if you put yourself in a position

where you feel as though you're putting

726

: 00:34:41

in a little bit of work, you're actually

probably in a good zone at that point.

727

: 00:34:44

It doesn't have to be obsessive.

728

: 00:34:46

You don't have to memorize every word,

but start and push yourself a little bit.

729

: 00:34:49

And I think that's gonna

yield a different outcome.

730

: 00:34:52

John: Yeah, absolutely.

731

: 00:34:53

I like to start off rehearsals just

with a loose outline in front of me,

732

: 00:34:59

and then if there's bits I'm really

missing, I can go back and review.

733

: 00:35:02

I'll write the whole thing out

in full, but I won't memorize it.

734

: 00:35:05

But I just like to have that in

my head, like, all right, this

735

: 00:35:08

is the whole thing in full.

736

: 00:35:09

No, pretty much where it's going,

what it's gonna be about, but

737

: 00:35:11

then I can take chunks of it and

practice it and work on them.

738

: 00:35:16

So sewing it all together,

as it were from there.

739

: 00:35:20

Greg Bennick: And memorization

is almost impossible.

740

: 00:35:22

Try to memorize everything that

we've said to one another today.

741

: 00:35:24

Impossible.

742

: 00:35:25

There's no way.

743

: 00:35:25

It's possible.

744

: 00:35:26

Sure, but it's really hard.

745

: 00:35:28

But instead, if I had to recount this for

somebody and I said, okay, podcast talked

746

: 00:35:33

about focus, talked about my background,

talked about how to prepare, and I

747

: 00:35:36

listed off 10 things that we've talked

about, people would've a sense of it.

748

: 00:35:40

Grab that sense for yourself

before you get on stage, and I

749

: 00:35:44

think it's gonna be effective.

750

: 00:35:45

Those bullet points, that's an

effective way to avoid having to

751

: 00:35:48

memorize everything is having, just

as an outline just go through that

752

: 00:35:52

outline, not just once, not just twice.

753

: 00:35:55

Go through it.

754

: 00:35:55

Challenge yourself.

755

: 00:35:56

Do the extra crunches.

756

: 00:35:58

Go through that outline 50 times,

and if you do, you're gonna have

757

: 00:36:01

a more effective presentation.

758

: 00:36:02

And again, that level of focus is going to

lead to a self-esteem boost when you get

759

: 00:36:07

off stage and you're like, wow, I did it.

760

: 00:36:09

And when people subsequently come

up to you and they're saying,

761

: 00:36:12

wow, that was really effective.

762

: 00:36:13

I'm so glad.

763

: 00:36:14

I came today and listened to you.

764

: 00:36:15

It's because you put in the time, you

did the extra crunches, you pushed

765

: 00:36:19

yourself a little bit, rehearsed

through this thing 30 times when you

766

: 00:36:22

thought one time would be enough.

767

: 00:36:24

You have no idea how many times people

have come to me and said, I really

768

: 00:36:27

need help with this keynote speech.

769

: 00:36:28

I say, great.

770

: 00:36:29

What's the topic?

771

: 00:36:29

They tell me the topic.

772

: 00:36:30

What's your structure?

773

: 00:36:31

They gimme a structure.

774

: 00:36:32

I say, oh, great.

775

: 00:36:33

Go ahead and rehearse that, and then

come back to me in, three days and

776

: 00:36:36

let's work on it a little bit more.

777

: 00:36:37

And they come back three days later and

I can tell they haven't worked on it.

778

: 00:36:40

What they've done is

they ran through it once.

779

: 00:36:42

That's not it.

780

: 00:36:43

Rehearsal is work.

781

: 00:36:45

So put in the work, you'll

be really happy that you did.

782

: 00:36:47

John: Yeah as you were talking, I was

thinking about I'm no juggler, but I

783

: 00:36:51

do have some entertainment background,

like I was probably a theater kid.

784

: 00:36:55

Music and all of that when I

was at school and university.

785

: 00:36:58

And I do remember very vividly,

especially from theater.

786

: 00:37:02

The pressure I felt to be line

perfect or word perfect with my lines.

787

: 00:37:07

And I think I did probably bring

some of that into speaking when

788

: 00:37:11

I started to get up on stage.

789

: 00:37:12

And I wonder if other people do as well

that sometimes is part of the unconscious

790

: 00:37:17

stress about, oh no, I couldn't

possibly get up on stage thinking that

791

: 00:37:20

you have to be line and word perfect.

792

: 00:37:23

And I hope for some people,

understanding that's not the case.

793

: 00:37:27

That you can really just work with

the framework and just know it well

794

: 00:37:30

enough that you can riff on it.

795

: 00:37:32

You can do a little improv here

and there where you need to.

796

: 00:37:36

That's to me, is one of the joys of being

well rehearsed, is that you do have a

797

: 00:37:40

lot more flexibility for what you can

do and say on stage because you know

798

: 00:37:44

your material well enough to do that.

799

: 00:37:46

Greg Bennick: Absolutely.

800

: 00:37:47

And then that's what an actor does, right?

801

: 00:37:48

So if you and I were doing Shakespeare and

we memorized our sides, meaning our lines

802

: 00:37:54

and our scenes and whatnot, and we got up

on stage, we don't just wing it, right?

803

: 00:37:58

It's, Romeo.

804

: 00:37:59

Romeo.

805

: 00:38:00

Where for Arthur Romeo?

806

: 00:38:01

That's the line, right?

807

: 00:38:02

The line isn't Romeo, dude, where are you?

808

: 00:38:06

We don't get to change it, right?

809

: 00:38:07

Unless that's the approach that

the director is taking at the play.

810

: 00:38:10

But the thing is, if you choose

to memorize, which is valid, find

811

: 00:38:15

the life within the words, that's

ultimately what we're talking about.

812

: 00:38:20

When you get on stage, you

don't wanna be overcome by fear

813

: 00:38:23

because you haven't rehearsed.

814

: 00:38:25

Do the rehearsal so that you can

find the life within the words.

815

: 00:38:28

And if you've memorized.

816

: 00:38:30

Find the life within the words that

you've memorized so that when you're

817

: 00:38:34

in front of the audience and you say,

good evening, my name is Greg Bennick

818

: 00:38:38

and my topic today is roller coasters,

that you're not just saying, good

819

: 00:38:42

evening, my name is Greg Bennick.

820

: 00:38:43

My topic today is roller coasters.

821

: 00:38:45

We're saying good evening.

822

: 00:38:46

Hey, my, my name's Greg Bennick.

823

: 00:38:47

My topic today is roller coasters.

824

: 00:38:49

The effect is gonna be so

different if you've got some life.

825

: 00:38:52

Within and supporting the words,

find that through rehearsal.

826

: 00:38:57

Don't just get to the point of

memorization if you choose to memorize,

827

: 00:39:00

but find the life within the words and

find the vibrancy within them and find

828

: 00:39:04

your own sense of personality within them.

829

: 00:39:06

That's what an actor does when

they memorize their lines as a

830

: 00:39:08

theater kid or theater professional.

831

: 00:39:10

They find some life there, and

that's why if you go to see the

832

: 00:39:13

same play night after night.

833

: 00:39:15

It's always gonna be a little bit

different because they find new life.

834

: 00:39:18

There's a new moment, something

happens, and it's only through being

835

: 00:39:22

really comfortable with what you're

saying, that you're gonna get there.

836

: 00:39:25

And that comfort isn't, a God-given gift.

837

: 00:39:28

That comfort comes from rehearsal

and it's true for all of us.

838

: 00:39:31

Yep.

839

: 00:39:32

John: Yeah.

840

: 00:39:32

I'd say the same is true for music

in my background as well, isn't

841

: 00:39:36

that there's a certain level where

you're practiced enough, where you

842

: 00:39:39

can actually start to inject yourself

into the music that you perform.

843

: 00:39:43

I'm sure it's true.

844

: 00:39:44

I'm no dancer, but I'm sure that's

true with dance as well, and that

845

: 00:39:48

just have to get to that level where,

the dancer is you, to some degree.

846

: 00:39:51

You can just put your personality

into it because you know it's

847

: 00:39:54

embodiment to that degree.

848

: 00:39:56

Greg Bennick: Yes, for sure.

849

: 00:39:57

Absolutely.

850

: 00:39:57

I agree.

851

: 00:39:58

It's so important you get to a point

where, some people call it a flow state.

852

: 00:40:01

Sure.

853

: 00:40:02

Some people call it, just

being well rehearsed.

854

: 00:40:04

But what it really is the point where.

855

: 00:40:06

Secondary is the thought

of what's my next line?

856

: 00:40:09

And primary is high

and you're right there.

857

: 00:40:12

You're in it.

858

: 00:40:13

You're in the moment, as it were.

859

: 00:40:15

So yeah, that's essential.

860

: 00:40:16

John: And that may be also helps to

answer the question of how do you

861

: 00:40:19

know when you've rehearsed enough?

862

: 00:40:20

Is that I think when you can

embody it to that level you're

863

: 00:40:22

probably pretty much there.

864

: 00:40:24

Greg Bennick: I think so.

865

: 00:40:24

It's not like there's a light that

goes on and goes, ding, oh, I'm ready.

866

: 00:40:27

But put in some time

and you'll find results.

867

: 00:40:30

Meaning, again, I don't mean

to use the gym metaphor, but I

868

: 00:40:33

mean it, it's important, right?

869

: 00:40:34

If we're feeling outta shape and we

watch what we eat a little bit and we

870

: 00:40:37

do a couple exercises, that's different

than being consistent over three weeks.

871

: 00:40:42

After three weeks you're gonna go,

huh, these pants fit differently today.

872

: 00:40:46

Why is that?

873

: 00:40:47

I wonder it's not because you

skipped the burger and fries once.

874

: 00:40:50

It's because you went to the

gym and you didn't have to

875

: 00:40:53

work out like a wild maniac.

876

: 00:40:55

You go to the gym consistently,

you see the results.

877

: 00:40:58

Same is true with rehearsal.

878

: 00:41:00

You rehearse and day one is a stumble

through and you're like, what is my point?

879

: 00:41:05

Why did I agree to do this?

880

: 00:41:07

I'll never wanna speak.

881

: 00:41:08

I don't wanna do this ever again.

882

: 00:41:10

And then all of a sudden,

day two, you're like, okay.

883

: 00:41:13

Yeah, I still don't wanna do this,

but at least I know that one point

884

: 00:41:16

after a few days, you're gonna

feel more comfortable and more

885

: 00:41:19

comfortable, and more comfortable.

886

: 00:41:21

Is there ever gonna be a point where

you've rehearsed exactly enough?

887

: 00:41:23

No.

888

: 00:41:23

I'm sure you could always refine

and improve, but do enough that

889

: 00:41:26

you feel a little more comfortable,

that you feel a little better.

890

: 00:41:29

Basically, what you're trying to do

is take down one belt loop to use

891

: 00:41:32

that metaphor with your preparation.

892

: 00:41:34

When you've got a belt loop

down you're in good shape.

893

: 00:41:37

John: The real goal becomes the

consistency and the practice

894

: 00:41:40

rather than the end performance,

which of which there may be many

895

: 00:41:44

if you're a professional speaker.

896

: 00:41:46

I really love this.

897

: 00:41:46

It's been a really helpful conversation

Greg, and there are many more

898

: 00:41:50

things I'm sure we could get to,

but I'm sure especially having.

899

: 00:41:54

I mentioned it a few times that some

people may want to check out your book.

900

: 00:41:56

Just tell us a little bit about

what your book's called and

901

: 00:41:58

how we can get hold of that.

902

: 00:41:59

Greg Bennick: Absolutely.

903

: 00:42:00

The book is called Reclaim the

Moment, Seven Strategies to Build

904

: 00:42:03

A Better Now, and it came about

when I was thinking about focus,

905

: 00:42:06

thinking about creating space.

906

: 00:42:07

It's got seven strategies in it for

ways that we can approach the world

907

: 00:42:11

when we've been thrown off track by

the world to get back on track so that

908

: 00:42:15

we can create space for possibility.

909

: 00:42:17

And it's available wherever books

are sold and your bookstore might

910

: 00:42:20

not have it physically in stock,

but all bookstores can get it.

911

: 00:42:25

It came out on Wiley.

912

: 00:42:26

They're a major publisher, and I

say that not to brag, but because a

913

: 00:42:29

friend of mine in Reykjavik, iceland

walked into his local bookstore

914

: 00:42:33

and said, do you have this book?

915

: 00:42:34

And they said, no, but we can

have it for you next week.

916

: 00:42:36

Which.

917

: 00:42:37

Blew my mind.

918

: 00:42:38

It just completely was amazing to me.

919

: 00:42:40

Yeah, it's available all over the place

and it's got ideas in it about, focusing

920

: 00:42:44

on the potential of other people rather

than walking into situations, from a

921

: 00:42:48

pessimistic mindset or leaping into the

dark with our creativity and the way

922

: 00:42:51

that we develop ideas in order to create.

923

: 00:42:54

More space for those

possibilities to flourish.

924

: 00:42:56

Ideas like that are throughout the book.

925

: 00:42:58

And there's, it's story

driven, personal story driven.

926

: 00:43:01

So it's a fun read as well as interesting.

927

: 00:43:03

There's actually lessons in there on focus

by way of teaching readers how to juggle.

928

: 00:43:07

So there's a lot in this book.

929

: 00:43:09

So definitely I would welcome

930

: 00:43:11

John: I've always wanted to learn

to juggle, but not with the machete.

931

: 00:43:13

The only it, the value you've shared

with us today is anything to go by

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then that's gonna be very well worth

anyone checking out and grabbing

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themselves a copy if someone would like

to reach out to you and get in touch.

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Is there a preferred way that

you'd like people to do that?

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Greg Bennick: Yeah, I'd love

for people to go to my website,

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of course, Greg Benic uh.com,

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G-R-E-G-B-E-N-N-I-C k.com.

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And of course I'm on LinkedIn as well.

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It's another way to find me certainly.

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But yeah, check out the website and

there's video content there, and.

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Blogs and other podcasts.

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If you've enjoyed our conversation, this

other podcasts that delve into these

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and similar topics, and I've got those

on the blog section of gregbennick.com.

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John: I'm feeling very motivated to go and

focus and rehearse after our conversation,

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but Greg, I really appreciate you coming

and being guest on present influence.

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Thanks so much.

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Greg Bennick: Thank you for having me.

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John: So before I go today, I wanted to

share a few thoughts and a few things that

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have been going on over the last couple

of weeks that you might be interested in.

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But first of all, some

thoughts of this episode.

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I do think that rehearsal is one of

the perhaps most painful aspects of

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being a professional communicator

that we'd probably all rather prefer

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to, dispense with it rather than keep

having to do it because repeating the

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same stuff over and over again is dull.

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It's not exciting, it's not fun,

but it is an essential element

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of becoming an excellent speaker.

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Now this is a reality in keynote

speaking that you're gonna get

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rehearsal from doing your live events.

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I would encourage you, if you are a new

keynote speaker, to do the same thing

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I would do with a new talk, which is to

find some places where you can deliver

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it for free and get some practice there.

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They are essentially

rehearsal times for you.

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They are the times where you're gonna

be able to correct things, iron out

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any kinks, get some feedback from the

audience to figure out what works and

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what doesn't work within your talk so

that when you are being paid to deliver

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it, you are gonna be able to do a bang

up job and feel that you are worth the

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money you've been putting in the reps.

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Nobody gets big muscles in the gym by

just going and doing one workout, do they?

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And even if you just went once

a week, well it probably helps

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you, but you probably need to

be going several times a week.

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You probably need to be eating right.

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You need to do all the boring stuff

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that gets you the long term results

and you need to do it consistently.

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Consistency is something we can

easily come into conflict with

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when we tend to be a little more

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reactive in our lives and end

up finding ourselves only really

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doing the things that we want to

do or that we're gonna enjoy doing.

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Rehearsal usually isn't one of them,

nobody's getting excited about, woo-hoo.

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It's time to go and rehearse now.

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And if you are, I'd love to hear from you.

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How are you getting

yourself excited for that?

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But we go and do the stuff we need to do

to get the results that we want to get.

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And in doing that, we put ourselves above

the people who are not prepared to make

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themselves uncomfortable and push through

the boredom and do the things that are

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gonna make us excellent at what we do.

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So I do think Greg's book on

being able to focus is essential.

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I love this.

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I think the book's a great addition to

Deep Work by Cal Newport, if you haven't

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already checked that out on helping us to

deepen our focus and get more things done

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and not be super distracted all the time.

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I am still actively working on trying

to lower my distractions from emails

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and social media notifications.

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I keep my phone silent.

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It's face down on the desk.

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Try and spend less and less time on social

media, but even then I still find my

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brain almost wants to distract itself.

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I'll go onto a platform to send a message

or something specific and then find

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myself scrolling through a whole load

of stuff that really isn't relevant.

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But I think we can get better at

catching ourselves doing these things

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and improving if we really want to.

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But we have to want it.

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We have to want the consistency, and I

do believe consistency is foundational

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to everything else that you want to do.

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If you can't show up consistently

as a speaker, you're not

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gonna get paid frequently, and

you're not gonna get paid well.

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I've discovered this the painful way, but

if you're a podcaster and you don't show

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up consistently , you lose downloads.

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You lose listeners.

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If you have a newsletter and you don't

show up consistently, you're going to

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lose readers as well, because you're not

gonna be seen as someone who's reliable.

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You're not gonna be expected in

their inbox, and you are really

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gonna have to catch somebody's eyes

and imagination to get them to want

: 1013

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to start checking you out again.

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So consistency really matters.

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It makes a huge difference, but be

consistent with the right things.

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Be consistent with the stuff

that's going to get you results.

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Track the results from your

consistency as well, and notice

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how much difference it makes.

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If you're looking for growth

on a particular social media

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channel and you start committing

to posting more regularly there.

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To interacting with people on

different posts and to maybe even

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trying a few different elements out

for the kind of things that you post.

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You can start to track results

and see what makes a difference.

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This is exactly what I've

been doing and especially.

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Especially with LinkedIn at the

moment where I'm finding that,

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certain posts are getting a lot of

interaction and a, and a lot of growth

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and certain posts are mostly just

flying through pretty much unnoticed.

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So try stuff out, do different things, but

be focused and stay consistent with it.

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Not everything you do is gonna work.

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I discovered this on a deeper level at

an open mic comedy night Last week I

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did my first ever open mic comedy set.

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It was just five minutes.

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I think I might have gone a

little bit over, and even then, I

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actually forgot some of my act and

I, and I went over five minutes.

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So that's crazy.

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Probably a good thing that

I forgot some of it, right.

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But, it was a great experience.

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I'm happy to say I didn't bomb.

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I'm gonna be sharing with you.

: 1040

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It's not fantastic recording, but

I'm gonna be sharing with you some

: 1041

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of the recording from that of my

next episode if I get it in time.

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I'm also gonna be sharing with you

and talking about the, a story slam

: 1043

00:49:03,568 --> 00:49:07,168

competition that I was in just a

few days before, and another one

: 1044

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of those that I've got coming up.

: 1045

00:49:08,218 --> 00:49:12,178

So I'm gonna talk about that on Friday's

episode this week gonna be a solo show.

: 1046

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Back to the usual Wednesday's

guest Friday solo.

: 1047

00:49:15,778 --> 00:49:18,238

I'm looking to do some

coaching shows as well.

: 1048

00:49:18,238 --> 00:49:21,208

So what I'm looking for at the

moment, if you stayed on this long,

: 1049

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hopefully you are hearing this.

: 1050

00:49:22,838 --> 00:49:26,403

I'm looking for a few people who

might want a bit of coaching on their

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00:49:26,403 --> 00:49:32,473

presentation skills on their keynote that,

I'll do for free so long as we can record

: 1052

00:49:32,473 --> 00:49:36,323

it and you are happy for me to publish

it, which means you will be on video, you

: 1053

00:49:36,323 --> 00:49:39,263

will be on audio for the coaching session.

: 1054

00:49:39,653 --> 00:49:42,653

Obviously we can cut out anything that

you really wouldn't want going out on air,

: 1055

00:49:42,833 --> 00:49:46,630

but, for the most part I just wanna show

people, What a coaching session would be.

: 1056

00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:50,565

Be like and give some people who are

following the show an opportunity to

: 1057

00:49:50,565 --> 00:49:52,615

have a taster of that, , for free.

: 1058

00:49:52,665 --> 00:49:55,275

It's gonna help you develop some

of your presentation and speaking

: 1059

00:49:55,275 --> 00:49:59,415

skills in your business and

potentially improve your keynote.

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00:49:59,715 --> 00:50:02,025

I'll show one last thing with

you before we wrap up for today.

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I got a message from a lady in my

mastermind group at the weekend who

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I did some coaching with about her

presentation, and she was at an event.

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She had been rebooked there from the

year before and she said after the

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event, the lady who booked her came up

and said, I was so happy you came back.

: 1065

00:50:18,185 --> 00:50:19,895

Rebooked you, we loved you

last year, but you are.

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00:50:19,895 --> 00:50:20,945

Presentation skills.

: 1067

00:50:20,945 --> 00:50:26,045

Your whole keynote has gone up and up and

up in value and in ability like you are

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00:50:26,045 --> 00:50:29,075

off the charts improved from last time.

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00:50:29,465 --> 00:50:30,905

And she said that was down to me.

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That was down to us working together,

which is so nice, so, so, so sweet.

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And it really, really touched me.

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I really, really pleased for her.

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Uh, 'cause she absolutely deserves it.

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She's amazing.

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And sometimes it is just about making

those adjustments that are gonna

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help you to really shine and make

a bigger impact with what you do.

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If that's something you'd like

for yourself, reach out to me on

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LinkedIn or@presentinfluence.com

: 1079

00:50:51,925 --> 00:50:55,375

and we can talk about how you, how

we might be able to help you shine

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with your presentations as well.

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All right.

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00:50:57,645 --> 00:50:58,635

That's it for now.

: 1083

00:50:58,635 --> 00:51:01,245

We'll catch up with you

again on Friday's episode.

: 1084

00:51:01,295 --> 00:51:03,875

If you're not already following

the show, please make sure you do.

: 1085

00:51:04,055 --> 00:51:08,721

And if you haven't already left us a five

star review on your app, get it out now.

: 1086

00:51:08,765 --> 00:51:12,815

Take your phone out your pocket and

go and leave us a five star review.

: 1087

00:51:12,815 --> 00:51:14,960

It's gonna help other people

know that this is a good show

: 1088

00:51:15,305 --> 00:51:17,055

and, to come and check us out.

: 1089

00:51:17,085 --> 00:51:18,205

So wherever you're going.

: 1090

00:51:18,265 --> 00:51:20,995

Whatever you're doing, have

an amazing rest of your day.

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See you next time.