Episode 185
Trust Issues: How To Become a Trusted Voice
Building Trust and Influence in Speaking & Coaching: The Power of Podcasting
Summary
In this episode of Present Influence, John delves into the importance of trust for coaches, speakers, and communication professionals. He discusses how to become a trusted voice and guide for audiences, emphasizing the significant role podcasting plays in establishing trust in a low-trust economy.
John shares insights from his conversation with podcast systems expert Joe Casabona, highlighting the benefits and strategies for being a podcast guest and starting your own podcast.
Additionally, he offers practical advice on preparation, recording quality, and long-term content strategy.
Join John as he explores how to amplify your influence and maintain a professional presence through effective communication.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Importance of Trust
00:49 Welcome to Present Influence
01:31 Building Trust Through Podcasting
02:40 Starting Your Podcast Journey
03:53 Guesting on Podcasts
05:15 Creating Your Own Podcast
12:19 Practical Tips for Podcasting
18:46 Conclusion and Next Steps
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Transcript
Welcome to the show.
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:I've been thinking a lot this week
about the importance of trust and what
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:the best ways are as a coach and a
speaker and a communication professional
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:perhaps to be gaining trust , from
your current and future audiences.
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:Where and how do you need to be
showing up in order to become
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:a trusted voice and guide?
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:Now it's hard to get people to trust
you these days and the coaching and
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:speaking world has its own share
of charlatans, crooks and creeps.
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:How then can we establish a trust
relationship amongst all of that?
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:What I want to share with you is
what I think now to be one of the
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:most essential weapons or tools in
the war for trust and truth and how
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:you can help to seal the deal as
your ideal audience's trusted guide.
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:Welcome to Present Influence the show
that helps coaches, speakers, and
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:business leaders develop the communication
skills to influence and inspire.
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:My name is John Ball, a keynote
coach, professional speaker, and your
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:guide on the journey to mastery level
communication and presentation skills.
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:My mission is to provide professional
communicators like you with
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:everything you need to maximize your
impact and present with influence.
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:Follow the show on your favorite
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:interviews with influence experts.
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:And , please consider leaving a five star
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:it means the world to me.
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:And it also helps other people know that
this is a show that's worth tuning into.
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:So earlier this week, I released an
episode with a podcast systems expert
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:called Joe Casabona, super nice guy.
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:And one of the things that was coming
up in that conversation was how
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:important it is now for people who are
in personal and professional development
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:as coaches, speakers and consultants
to be able to establish a significant
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:level of trust and how podcasts are
one of the key vehicles for making
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:that happen in this day and age.
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:And here's one of the main reasons
for that, because we are in an
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:environment and an economy of low trust.
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:Misinformation surrounds us and
these things are probably only
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:going to get worse as AI gets better
and better and it becomes easier.
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:to mislead and misguide people.
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:People are desperately searching for
sources and voices that they can trust.
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:And that's why it may no longer be
one of those sort of optional things
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:to have some kind of involvement in
podcasting, probably to the point I
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:would say of having your own show.
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:And whilst I know that for some of
you that you might be thinking well,
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:that's a lot of work, I would say it
isn't the first thing you should do if
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:you're just setting up a coaching or
speaking business And I do have some
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:thoughts and ideas about what you maybe
should be doing if that's where you are
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:But one of the, one of the best
strategies for building and
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:growing a coaching business is
getting out there and speaking.
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:So, you know, podcast guesting
fits into that very nicely.
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:And that probably is a better place for
you to begin, start getting your name out
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:there, getting better and practiced at
what it is that you talk about, so that
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:you can get smoother in your responses
and engage with your audience more.
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:Learning how to prepare for these kinds
of things as well because most people just
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:don't bother and will show up for podcast
interviews and be like oh well i have the
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:knowledge that you already want to speak
to me about what do i need to prepare?
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:As a speaker you would never show up for
a talk unprepared unless you had been
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:asked to unless it was a purely improvised
presentation that you had been asked
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:to do which isn't really something that
happens for most people So why show up
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:to a podcast interview not fully prepared?
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:Now, there are a handful of people
I think who do an exceptionally
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:good job of being podcast guests.
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:And if you haven't checked out one of
my previous episodes with Christine
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:Ammerman, Christine was my guest in
episode 171 of present influence.
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:So I do recommend going back and checking
that episode out She really knows how
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:to show up as a podcast guest to show
up researched having listened to some
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:of the episodes Go and get some great
pointers from her and doing that and
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:perhaps start your podcast guesting
journey sooner rather than later.
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:Now At this stage, I would also say I
wouldn't be too concerned in getting
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:started as to whether you're going on
a podcast with a big following or not.
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:You really just want to get
some reps in initially, so
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:don't worry too much about that.
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:But as you go forward with it, you
will want to be a little more strategic
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:to going on to shows that kind of
have your audience and have the kinds
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:of people who you might want to be
signing up as clients and ideally also
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:have some kind of following that is
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:Going to give you a bit of bang for your
buck and help you to move the needle.
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:Some of the things that have turned
up inquiries and lead generation for
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:me the most have been appearing as
a guest on some bigger shows where
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:I have shown up prepared and I've
given a very clear call to action.
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:That is definitely the kind of thing
that you should be doing as a guest
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:if you're getting started with this.
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:However, if you're already pretty
well established as a coach speaker
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:or consultant It may be the case that
now is the right time for you to start
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:thinking about having your own podcast
And certainly if you listen to the episode
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:with Joe and you Take up his resources
that were offered in that last episode you
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:will have some of the systems already in
place to be able to start to delegate and
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:dish out the work that's involved in that.
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:So really probably all you'll have to do
is plan, record, and schedule for yourself
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:and have an assistant or a producer or
whoever else have someone else take care
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:of some of the time consuming elements
of that like editing the show and audio
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:engineering and all those good things
that you probably will want to have
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:because Realistically, this is going to be
something that's going to be representing
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:you in the professional world.
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:So, some thrown together, unedited,
untreated podcast that's just you
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:and someone else chatting about
whatever is not going to cut it here.
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:Think about this from
a professional state.
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:Now this is something that came from
Joe actually, that a question that
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:had come up at a podcast convention as
to whether as a podcast host, whether
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:you should be doing stuff from a sort
of professional style studio as much as
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:possible, or whether to do these sort of
videos and recordings where you're out
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:and about, and we should quite common now.
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:The answer that was given by an industry
expert, was that if you are really looking
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:to establish yourself as a trusted thought
leader, you probably should be doing your
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:recordings from a professional studio.
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:People do associate that level of
professionalism with higher quality.
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:So I think about it from those terms.
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:Here's another really key thing.
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:A lot of people when they're thinking
about starting a podcast as a speaker
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:or as a coach or consultant are
thinking about doing guest interview
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:shows and I would probably advise you
even though I have a show where I do
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:interview a lot of guests myself, I
would say probably don't go that way.
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:Maybe start off just having you and your
knowledge, or if you're not working
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:alone, have you and your business partner,
or, you have a panel of the people who
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:you work with, if that's going to work
better, or maybe even take it in turns
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:to record elements of the show, but
don't do an interview show, and the
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:reason I say that is because interviewing
in itself is not an easy skill.
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:I have certainly got better at it over the
ars since starting my show in:
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:I am by no means an expert interviewer.
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:So I do not, I would still not consider
myself to be an amazing interviewer.
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:I think I do a decent job.
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:But one of the things I'm not
doing when I'm interviewing is
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:really establishing my expertise.
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:And when I'm interviewing someone
else, I'm helping to establish their
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:expertise and whatever credibility
and following and trust I have from
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:my audience, I am sharing with the
guests that I bring on to my show.
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:So I still do think it's worth you
being a guest on other people's shows
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:and having that as part of your, having
it as part of your growth strategy
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:for lead generation and opportunity.
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:I wouldn't miss out on that at all.
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:And if that's something that you want
to discuss and to understand how to
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:do better, I have a free guide on
how to be an amazing podcast guest.
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:You can get that from my
website, presentinfluence.
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:com.
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:And completely free for you to download
and if you actually want to have a chat
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:with me about that Just reach out through
either through the contact page on my
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:website or connect with me on linkedin.
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:You'll find the information to do that
in the show notes for this episode And
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:i'll be more than happy to talk to you
and maybe even help you with your plan
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:for Guiding you to start a podcast and
how to make that really work for you
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:So the key thing here is this is
about establishing you as a trusted
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:voice and guide for your audience.
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:And so it doesn't have to be that
you're delivering keynote level
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:podcast episodes every single week.
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:That's a lot of work.
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:It might just be 5, 10, 15 minutes
of you on a particular topic that
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:you can cut out a piece of content.
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:You can even use a lot of AI tools now
for helping you to figure out, what do I
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:want to cover on these particular topics?
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:If I'm doing, I've used AI for this
as well, put in some prompts of, if
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:I'm doing a podcast on this topic,
give me some episode ideas and it
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:will throw some stuff out at you.
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:I would even say maybe see if you can
find some podcasts from people who
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:are in a similar area to you and make
sure you know they will have maybe
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:already covered a lot of the topics
that you might want to cover as well.
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:You probably want to change
titles from what they've done.
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:What you may also notice when you
do that is how badly some people
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:name their podcast episodes and
their podcasts as and this is why
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:this is such an important thing.
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:I think a podcast can position you just
as well in your market now as a book
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:can, and it's free for people to access.
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:One thing that I've heard from people who
listen to this show on a regular basis,
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:and people who have been my clients
for a number of years as well, will say
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:that they hear my voice in their head.
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:I kind of love that as well as find
it a little bit scary, but people will
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:say they hear my voice in their head.
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:So when they're, they will go, Oh,
maybe what do I think, what do I think
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:John would say in this situation?
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:I love that, that anyone would
even think, Oh, what does
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:John think in this situation?
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:And hear my voice, because they've heard
me enough times, and are familiar enough
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:with my take to know what it sounds like.
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:That is a very special position of trust.
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:And that's what I'm saying that
you can have with your own podcast
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:without a huge amount of work.
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:You can keep this pretty well
streamlined and flowing and this
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:is why I say probably avoid going
down the path of interview episodes.
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:I'm not saying never do that but if
you want something that's going to be
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:manageable helping to establish you as
an industry expert and thought leader
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:Maybe now is the time to be thinking
about starting up your own podcast I
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:would love to hear your thoughts on
this and certainly i would love to
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:hear from you if you're looking for
any help or assistance Or guidance on
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:being able to follow through follow
down this path as to whether you know
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:Whether it's the right time for you to
do this and No, if you are going to do
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:it what you maybe you want to know things
like You What should I call my show?
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:What will I talk about?
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:How often will I do episodes?
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:And all those things.
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:How will I plan this out?
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:Who will I get to help me?
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:Well, if you want some help with
that, I'm more than happy to.
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:I'm not a podcast coach as such.
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:I've worked in the podcast
industry for a good amount of time.
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:I've worked with podcast
training companies and I've
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:had my own shows since 2019.
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:So I'm pretty well entrenched in the
industry and the knowledge and I'm
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:certainly happy to have a chat . But
here's what I'll say as well.
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:If you are going to do solo episodes.
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:I would aim to plan out more than
your first six or seven episodes.
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:Maybe try and plan out 10, perhaps
even try and batch record them.
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:So give yourself a couple of hours,
record maybe in 10 minute slots because
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:you don't really want it to be going
too much over that for solo episodes.
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:And then maybe hand those over to
someone else to edit, or maybe even
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:use some AI tools to edit those
down and quickly turn them around.
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:You don't need all the bells and
whistles at this stage, but you may
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:want to make sure you at least have
some decent recording equipment,
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:things like not using the internal
mic on your computer, not using your
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:mobile device to record the episodes.
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:Although if that is all you've got,
certainly you could start with that,
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:but I'm, I would also guess if that
if you are in a position where you
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:already have clients and your business
is doing pretty well, a little bit
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:of investment in a, like 200 euro
dollar pound microphone or so,
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:I have a samsung Q9U Shure
MB7s you can get now that plug
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:straight into your computer and
will make you sound like a pro.
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:So you know, don't you, maybe you don't
have to worry too much about all the
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:other aspects of it, you don't want a
grainy camera, you don't want horrible
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:audio, and it's not a huge investment.
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:But I would avoid things like, I
do a lot of webinars and stuff with
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:headsets, and they're cool stuff, but
you probably don't really want to be
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:recording a podcast episode on onto them.
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:Although it might just suffice.
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:So I think it is worth making that little
bit of investment into a bit of recording
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:and video equipment especially for getting
started on going on other people's shows.
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:They will, podcast hosts, are definitely
going to appreciate you if you show
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:up and you've got a good quality
microphone, good quality video,
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:hopefully a high speed Wi Fi connection
and ideally Good audio acoustics as
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:well for the room that you're in.
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:I don't have the best here where I am.
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:And it's something that I keep
thinking, I do need to get someone
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:to come in and audio treat this room.
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:One of these days I will, but, you
don't need all of that to get started.
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:And that's really a key thing here.
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:It's said often that you probably
need multiple points of contact
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:before you really do have that level
of trust from someone where they
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:feel confident in who you are and
comfortable enough to trust you.
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:So I think with this particular path,
you do want to make sure, and if you're
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:going to do it, you might want to do it
as a limited series, you might want to
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:do it as, something that you're going
to do temporarily every year we're maybe
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:going to do 10 episodes, or, maybe it's
something you want to have Ongoing.
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:So there's no hard and fast rules to this,
but I certainly think you want to aim
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:for at least getting 10 episodes knocked
out, even if that's all you're going to
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:do this year, and have those available,
release them in a drip format and start
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:having your podcast, your show, start
promoting it in some places, have it
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:featured on your website and start going
on other shows, mentioning it on those
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:other shows, have people come and check
you out because they're going to love
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:what you can provide for them for free.
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:And they're also going to start to hear
your voice on a more regular basis.
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:And if you're adding value, if
you're specific enough to what you
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:work with, with your audience and
some things you talk about, don't
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:be afraid to give away knowledge.
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:Now there may be some
stuff you definitely want to
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:keep back in your business.
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:Sure.
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:Great.
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:But certainly for the most part, you want
to be able to share enough that people
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:are going to be able to take action and
see that you do know what you're talking
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:about, you do have some expertise,
and you're not holding back from them.
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:You're not holding back from them, you're
giving them enough that they can start
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:moving forward, and of course if they
want to accelerate that journey, you
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:want to give them the opportunities to
be able to come and do that with you.
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:Now I probably wouldn't start
advertising my own coaching services
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:within the first several episodes.
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:That's something maybe, when you've got
five or six episodes out, that might
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:be a time where you could start to have
some calls to action that are encouraging
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:people to come and perhaps work with you
when you've had a bit of an opportunity
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:to establish some trust with people.
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:The good thing with creating this kind
of content is you can repurpose it.
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:You can use it on all sorts
of different social media.
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:You can create clips from it.
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:You can use it to get ideas and
inspiration for other articles, put
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:your scripts back into AI and ask
it to pick out themes and related
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:topics that you might want to do
some episodes and articles around.
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:There's a lot you can do in terms of
repurposing the content that you work
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:with here and utilizing it to make your
social media presence easier as well.
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:So you can get a lot of bang for
your buck with really not that
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:much work to go into a podcast.
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:So, yeah, the, one of the big
differences between podcasts and other
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:social media content is you, it's
hard to reuse a lot of other content.
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:And so
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:most social media content is ephemeral, it
doesn't last very long, it'll maybe have
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:a week or a couple of weeks of longevity.
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:Something you post on LinkedIn might
do several rounds, something you
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:post on other social media platforms
might get a bit of interaction
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:for seven days, maybe a bit more.
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:So most content doesn't
have that much longevity.
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:Podcasts are a little different.
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:So people will, if you have a podcast
that has good information and is on a
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:topic that people are interested in,
people will very often go and listen
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:to your back catalogue of episodes.
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:They will go and check out earlier
topics and see what's been talked about.
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:A good example of this for me recently
was, checking out a podcast on
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:marketing for coaches from somebody
who I quite enjoy as a speaker.
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:And, I didn't just listen to the
latest episode, I went right back
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:to the start of the show and started
listening all the way through.
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:And that is a pretty common thing
to find with podcast listeners,
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:that they're not just going to
listen to your latest episode.
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:People will go back and listen to
your catalogue if it has information
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:that is valuable for them.
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:This is also something that can end up,
Over time, giving you content that can
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:be transcribed and worked into books
and other resources, other information
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:products that you could ultimately sell.
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:So I really do think there's
a lot of high value.
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:in this a lot of opportunities for
creating points of contact with people
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:and to become a trusted voice and
guide for the audience that you want
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:to serve by having your own podcast.
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:Now if this is something that's piquing
your interest and you would like to know
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:more about it or you at least have to
have a chat about how you proceed from
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:here, I'm very happy to have that chat
with you and see if there's any way
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:that I can help you to move forward.
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:So reach out through the contact
form in my website, presentinfluence.
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:com or Or, contact me on LinkedIn,
where I hang out a lot, my main social
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:media place, and you'll find the
links to do that if we're not already
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:connected there in the show notes.
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:I would also like to invite you to
follow my LinkedIn newsletter, which
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:will have some updates for the show, as
well as different articles topics and
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:themes that are related to presentation
skills and to developing your influence
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:that's pretty much it for this solo
episode from me, and I'm going to be
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:back next time with Expert Lida Citroen,
and had a wonderful chat with Lida.
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:She has an amazing book on
influence out at the moment,
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:and we had a great conversation.
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:We even had a few things that we didn't
completely agree on, which certainly
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:made things interesting for both of us.
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:So I hope you'll come
and join us for that.
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:That will be out next Wednesday.
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:For now, I'm trying out having my
interview episodes on Wednesday and my
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:solo episodes on Friday and , keeping
this level of production for a while
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:with the show to see how it goes.
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:But I'd love your thoughts and feedback.
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:What are the topics that you would
like to see covered on the show?
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:Who are the guests you'd like
me to have or be interviewing?
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:Maybe it's you that you'd like, so reach
out and let me know if that's the case.
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:Maybe you have some thoughts or ideas
about other ways that we can Establish
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:trust in this low trust economy that
we're in right now I'd love to hear
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:from them and maybe even bring you on
the show to talk about it All right,
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:that's it from me wherever you're going.
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:Whatever you're doing.
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:Have an amazing week.
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:I'll see you again very soon.
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:Take care