What Happens When Professionalism Holds You Back? Explained inside and how to fix it.

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In this episode, I want to share with you how professionalism

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is getting in the way sometimes

for professional speakers.

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You might be wondering how

that could even be possible.

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Surely we should all aim to be

professional and have lots of

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professionalism, but there are

times when it's working against you.

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And this episode, I'm gonna explain

why that is and how it's affecting you.

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Also, we're gonna have a little bit of a

dive deeper into some of the themes that

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have been coming up on recent episodes

that's the storytelling episode last week.

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And our previous episode

with Danny Brassell.

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So stay tuned.

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If you are a professional

speaker or communicator, you

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will not want to miss this.

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Welcome to Present Influence, the

show for professional communicators

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who want to impact, influence,

and inspire with their talks.

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My name's John Ball, and I'm your

guide on this journey to mastery

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level communication skills.

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one of the things that I end up

very often working with clients on

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is helping them step out of this

professional speaking, standard style

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type, or PSSST for short if you like.

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And one of the reasons for that is we

think we're supposed to be a certain way.

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We feel like in corporate

environments particularly, we

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should look and sound a certain way.

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We probably want to bury certain

aspects of our individualism

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and character so that we fit.

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In or look like a corporate

speaker and presenter, and that's

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not just in those environments.

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It can happen in numerous places as well.

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In fact, it can happen in various

different parts of your life and it's

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gonna keep you small and it's gonna

hold you back from progressing to a

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level that you really want to get to.

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So if you're attached to beliefs that

in the corporate world, you have to show

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up with a particular style, you're not

supposed to be too charismatic or funny.

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You have to temper the

emotion of your talks.

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You need to deliver lots of

information and you need to

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look a particular way as well.

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You may be heading yourself on a track

that's gonna be hard to get off, and

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it's gonna be one that causes you to

blend in with pretty much everyone else

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out there who's doing the same thing.

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You are never really

gonna stand out unless.

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You lean into the more individual

elements of who you are as a person.

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And I think there's, a part of us that

generally believes we are not supposed

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to do that in the business world.

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In fact, there are times where we

leave parts of ourselves behind because

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we feel it might be inappropriate.

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We're afraid of what other people might

think of us, or we think we might actually

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make other people uncomfortable even.

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Now, something that's interesting

to me is when I recorded my episode

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with the amazing Judy Carter, she's

the comedy coach when it comes to

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teaching people how to be funnier.

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She said something about how people.

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And I don't remember if this is in the

episode or if this is in our private

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conversation, but she said something

about how people tend to coach or

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teach what they most need to learn.

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And I agreed and thought, well, I

think some of the stuff that I'm

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doing, particularly around helping

people step out of that professionalism

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style that is often holding them

back as a speaker is not really

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something I need to learn for myself.

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And then I did this storytelling

event recently, and again, if

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you watch the episode a few weeks

back, you'll have seen the story.

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You'll have seen the breakdown.

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One of the things that came from that,

which I didn't expect has been, it's

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been a great revelation of awareness

and potentially a breakthrough I

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think as well for me, that I didn't

even know that I needed to have.

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Which was that I have generally avoided

talking publicly about my personal life.

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Now.

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I'm not the kind of person who's ever

going to start get on the stage and

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discuss intimate details of my sex life.

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That's just never going to happen.

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I wouldn't even do that with my

friends, let alone with the public.

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And even when I'm doing

standup, I would never do that.

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It 'cause that makes me too uncomfortable.

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But there are aspects of my life

that I've tended to leave out or

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lessen or brush past and maybe even

be neutral about because I've been

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overly concerned that it might,

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piss people off.

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It might make some people uncomfortable.

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It might reduce opportunities

for me in the future.

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And I have been in situations where

people who haven't realised that

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I'm gay have made inappropriate

comments or jokes around me.

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And them being very surprised

to find out that I was gay.

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And obviously say I don't really

feel that's very appropriate.

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I don't really make a big deal of it.

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I don't think that helps.

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But I do want to create a learning moment

in those situations where I can, without

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trying to make the people feel too bad

about it, I don't want 'em to crawl

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under a rock, but I do want them to have

an awareness of how inappropriate that

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is it is probably not a good idea to

assume that everybody is the same as you.

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So I always hope that I can lead

those situations a bit better, but

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it does also indicate that I'm very

low key about my own sexuality and my

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relationship and those sorts of things,

that I don't bring them up very much.

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I'm not, not keeping secrets, but I don't,

I think there is something inside me

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that feels, I don't wanna be too public.

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I don't wanna be too exposed or too

in your face about these things.

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Even just mentioning that you are

gay or married to a man or whatever.

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Some people are, oh, you're in my face.

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You're forcing, you are forcing

your gayness down my throat.

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Like I'm not gonna force

anything down your throat.

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'cause that would be highly inappropriate.

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But there are people who are like that.

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And that often ends up because some

people have such aggressive responses

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sometimes to who other people are or

to people even showing up as being so

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different to them that people can have

very strong reactions and responses

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that can be sometimes intimidating.

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And certainly can end up creating a

hostile environment where you don't

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feel comfortable, where you don't have

psychological safety to that degree, to

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feel that you can fully be who you are.

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And I'd say a lot of my life, even though

I've worked in jobs that traditionally

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have been very welcoming and accepting

of gay and queer people generally.

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Still, sometimes you find yourself

in environments, especially

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where you don't know how people

are gonna react and respond.

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That where you end up treading

carefully, you have to be a little

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bit extra aware of yourself.

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And you do want to feel a level of

safety before you allow yourself to

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be completely open about who you are.

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An example of this would be a company

that I worked with recently and when

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I joined the company I knew that

probably most if not all of the people

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in that company were very religious.

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They were all, not all necessarily

evangelical Christians, but they were all.

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Christians, and they were all very public

about that there were some exceptions as

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it turned out, but even then, those people

felt a little uncomfortable talking about

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themselves not being that because of that

religious environment in that company.

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And as such, I didn't know if it

was gonna be received, not just

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as someone who doesn't have.

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Religious or particularly spiritual

beliefs, but also as someone who has a

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different sexuality to what they might

consider the norm or the biblical.

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Right.

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Sexuality, it ended up that it

wasn't really an issue at all.

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In fact, I would probably say

my lack of religion was probably

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a bigger issue in that company.

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I feel, I don't know for sure,

but I think it was a bit of an

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issue with certain people there.

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But it just goes to show you that

there were gonna be times where you

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may end up being discriminated against

in some way because of who you are.

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You may end up getting hostile reactions

because you own who you are and because

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you're honest about that and not

sharing those talks and experiences

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is diminishing yourself for starters,

making yourself feel like you can't

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be fully open and honest because,

everything in your life and everything

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about who you are goes towards part

of your character and your charisma.

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It's the things that make

you who you are today.

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And if we diminish those, we are saying

that we were essentially making ourselves

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less important or less valid than the

people who perhaps fit the norms and feel

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more comfortable to be fully upfront.

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And yet, everybody has secrets.

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Everybody has secret shames

and all these kinds of things.

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Many of which we'll probably never

find out, but everybody has something.

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To, to me, there was a lesson in the

storytelling about what I actually

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got up on stage and talked about.

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I was talking about coming out as gay.

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I was talking about some of the

reactions I had from that were

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bad experiences as well as some of

the good and the relationship with

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my family and things like that.

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And it felt really good

to own that and to be.

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Public with it and definitely felt good

to have that well received as well and

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not be concerned with whether it was

making people around me uncomfortable

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or whether some people may have

thought less of me because of it.

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It was much more unapologetic, like

I'm refusing to apologize for who I am.

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I'm not trying to be professional.

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And I'm not gonna I'm not trying

to cut off a part of my life from

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my speaking and from my podcasting

and from my coaching work because

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some people might not like it.

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Some people might be uncomfortable,

some people may not approve.

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So what?

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Those are not my people.

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That's the reality of it.

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And maybe there are some learnable

moments that could come up with them.

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Maybe not.

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Maybe it is something that's gonna

cut me off from certain opportunities.

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But do I want those opportunities

if I'm having to limit myself and

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who I can be in those environments.

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I'm starting to find that more and more

unacceptable and I didn't realize how

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much I needed to learn that lesson for

myself to step outta the trying to portray

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this public image of professionalism

, realizing that this thing that I am, I.

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Teaching other people.

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I hadn't, fully learned

that lesson myself.

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I'm still learning it.

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I'm still figuring stuff out and yes, I am

someone who is helping to coach people on

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something that I need to work on as well,

that I'm getting better at gradually.

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And about owning the fullness of who

I am and being unapologetic of it.

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So this doesn't mean that I need to ram

content about myself and my sexuality

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into every single talk or anything that

I do, but being unafraid to mention

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that I have a husband as casually

as a straight person might mention

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that they have a husband or wife.

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Why should I be afraid to mention that?

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Just because some people

might go, Ooh or who cares?

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Who cares?

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If people are shocked, let them be.

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Because we may convince ourselves

that those aspects of us are

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unimportant, but they're not.

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They are a part of you.

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They inform who you are.

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They inform the decisions you make.

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And we are also potentially

cutting people off from the

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ability to really know who we are.

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And I think many people do this.

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This isn't just something that

exists for LGBT+ plus people.

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This is something that is very common of

keeping significant aspects of ourselves

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back for fear of negative judgment.

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Because none of us really

want to be negatively judged.

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And so we tell ourselves that those

aspects of ourselves aren't so important.

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We focus on our professional image,

we focus on the thing we want to put

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out there into the world, but we lose

part of our authenticity in doing that.

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We become that little bit more generic.

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We deny something that is

actually a really core aspect of

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our character that, if we were.

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Doing standup, you would want to

talk about those things because it's

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important to who you are and it's

part of your lens as a comedian.

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And we all have a lens in life and we

all have a lens that we look our lives

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through, and that is the lens of our

personality as it is at the moment.

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Personality can change

over time, for sure.

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And we change and develop

over time and so does the lens

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with which we view the world.

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But.

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When we are limiting how we show up

in particular situations, there is a

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part of us that's telling ourselves

we're not good enough or we're not

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acceptable enough to be able to be

fully open and honest about who we are.

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And yes, there may not be the

full psychological safety that we

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would hope to have in all of those

situations, but there comes a time

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where we really have to decide,

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am I gonna be fully myself or am I just

gonna be partly myself and hide the

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bits of myself that I've determined

as being worthy of being hidden away?

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For whatever reason.

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And that sometimes that

can be a sense of humor.

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Maybe you have a bit of a

dark, sarcastic sense of humor.

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But when it's worked and honed in the

right way, it could be a real asset for

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you for making some dry, witty comments

in a talk or a presentation that may

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not hit with everybody, but it could get

you a few laughs or chuckles or maybe

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it would be end up being a big hit.

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This idea that we can't really be humorous

in professional presentations is crazy

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because it's such an important thing.

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This is a thing that's come up again

and again recently on the show.

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And for me with Judy Carter, with Danny

Brassell and in the storytelling work

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I've been doing as well, the world

is already full of sad stories now.

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The, a lot, so much horrible stuff is

going on in the world right now, that

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if we can be someone who's putting a bit

of lightness into that and making things

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engaging and entertaining, people are

really gonna remember that for starters.

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They're also gonna respect it to some

degree, and they're gonna feel like they

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know you a bit better because of it.

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Because we tend to trust

people who can make us laugh.

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We tend to trust people when we know

a bit more about them personally.

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So this is one of the reasons why.

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Telling as Danny Brassell was talking

about in the last episode, telling your

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more vulnerable stories, telling a story

about a time when you failed at something,

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but you learned from it and you developed

and grew from, it can be really powerful,

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but people can connect to that much more

than they could ever connect to a story

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of you winning five Olympic medals.

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Or scaling the Matterhorn or Mount

Everest, something like that.

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Most of us have never done those

things and we can't relate to that.

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And that therefore makes your stories to

some degree, if those are your stories.

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They're very still valuable, but they

are less relatable than the stuff that

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is more commonplace, that we can more

relate to an argument with a family

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member that ended up being resolved

and lessons learned from it is much

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more relatable or those kinds of more

mundane stories, which is where most of

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our life lessons tend to happen anyway.

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More commonly shared experiences

and often more valuable for the

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stories that we tell from stage.

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A big lesson for me recently from

so many episodes I've been doing and

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from so many experiences that I've

been having has been about being

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fully unapologetic for who I am.

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Not being embarrassed about my story,

not lessening my own history, my

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life experiences, my sexuality, my

relationship, or any aspect of my life

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for fear that some other people may think

less of me for it, for some opportunities

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may not come my way because of it.

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And some people might feel uncomfortable.

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I have to say, I'm not setting out to

try and make anybody feel uncomfortable.

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I'm not trying to cause pain or anguish

or confrontation in any situation, but.

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That isn't best created by keeping

myself small and hiding my life and

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my light away from other people.

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It is time to shine brightly as

a person and as a professional.

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And this is why I want you also,

if you find yourself relating

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to any of this on any level.

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I want you also to step out

of professionalism and focus

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on being a person, be you.

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Be fully you.

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Own yourself.

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Own your flaws.

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Own the stuff about yourself that people

will like and accept yourself for it.

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And don't be embarrassed about it.

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We may all have aspects of our

lives or things we've done that we

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would never want to share publicly,

and I'm not talking about that.

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I'm talking about the aspects of you

that make you who you are, your unique

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lens on the world, your personality,

your life history that has led you

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to becoming the person that you

are today should never be lessened

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because some people might not like it.

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Own it.

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Be unapologetic for who you are.

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Own your full character and charisma

as it is, and if there are aspects

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of that you don't like, work on them.

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Improve them, make them

better for yourself.

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'cause it may be that there are

things still to work on and develop.

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I have them, and I do my best to recognize

them, but I don't always fully get them.

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It's only really in this last week

working with one of my coaches and in

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conversations with some of the amazing

people I have on the podcast or the people

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who I do the storytelling events with.

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Have led me to a realization of, alright,

this is something I also need to work on.

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The thing that I really want to help a lot

of other people to do is something that I

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still need to develop and work on myself

and have been owning that and accepting

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it and will continue to work on it.

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And my hope is that you will

also want to do the same.

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We can only really be authentic

as speakers if we own and value

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our life, our lens, and our

history for who we really are.

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This does not mean you have to air

your dirty laundry from the platform,

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or you have to share every aspect

of your life with your audience.

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But the stuff that's important to you, the

stuff that matters about who you are and

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how you got to become who you are today,

the lessons that you learned, some of them

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can be difficult to talk about or to own.

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A good friend of mine is doing a

storytelling event, where she's

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gonna be talking about some of

her issues with mental health.

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That's such a vulnerable and difficult

thing to talk about, but owning that

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is going to be empowering for her and

also is going to send a message to other

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people who've been struggling with those

kind of things of you are not alone.

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You will have something

to learn from this story.

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And for those who maybe haven't had

those kinds of issues, they're gonna

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have a deeper level of understanding and

compassion, hopefully for her and others

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who may have those kind of conditions.

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But we only get to these points by

doing the difficult stuff, which is

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being honest and open about who we are.

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And.

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Our lives and our stories and

then sharing them with the

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people who it's gonna matter to.

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So, look I hope.

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I hope beyond anything that there

is something for you in what

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I've been talking about here.

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And if there is, I would love to

hear from you because some of it

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is gonna be a little bit deep, some

of it may be a little sensitive

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and maybe bring some stuff out for

you if you want to talk about that,

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if you wanna work on some

of this stuff, get in touch.

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I'd love to chat with you and let's

see if we can help you step outta

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professionalism and into being a human, so

you can have human to human interactions

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with people rather than diminishing

parts of yourself for what you feel is

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gonna be acceptable for everyone else.

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I dunno about you, but I always look

at people who are fully unapologetic

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for who they are and admire them.

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I always think, wow, I want to be more

like that, more unapologetic for who I

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am and for how I show up in the world

and really just own it and not feel

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like I have to hold myself back or bite

my tongue or switch words so that I

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can be more vague and unspecific in my

language, so as I don't upset or offend

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anybody, let's leave that stuff behind.

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It's a challenge.

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It's gonna rub some people up

the wrong way, but it's time.

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It's time for connection.

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It's time for relationship.

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It is time for authenticity.

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When we talk about authenticity, I'm just

talking about being genuinely you, fully

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yourself, and highlighting the wonderful

parts of your character and yeah, okay.

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We're not gonna shine a spotlight

too much on less wonderful aspects of

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that, but we're also not going to deny

those things either and own ourselves

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fully and not apologize for it.

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It's our life, it's our experience.

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It's who we are.

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We all have room to be more fully

realized as human beings and

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as professional communicators.

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And vulnerability really is

a door that when you open it

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invites people in for connection.

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And when we don't do it.

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We end up keeping people at

a distance, whether that's

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intentional or unintentional.

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We'll take ourselves outta the

situation sometimes because we don't

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want to risk people getting too

close or finding out the reality

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because we don't feel completely

comfortable or confident around them.

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It may take a bit of work to get

there, but let's start the journey.

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That's it for this episode.

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I hope there's something there for

you, and I'd love to hear from you.

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What are your thoughts?

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What are your feelings?

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I don't think I've ever done an

episode quite like this before.

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It feels a bit emotional, and

I'd love to hear what you think.

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All right, wherever you're going, whatever

you're doing, have an amazing rest of

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your day and I'll see you next time.